Small Yet Beautiful in Communist China | Interview: Audrye Wong

Here at The Remnant, our hate list is rather long: Woodrow Wilson, electoral primaries, German romanticism … the list goes on and on. But if there’s one we hate that doesn’t get enough air time, it’s Chinese communism. We hate Chinese communism. That’s why we’ve recruited from the ranks of America’s foremost anti-CCP institution—that’s the American Enterprise Institute, for those of you who live under rocks—to bring you the latest on Chinese grand strategy. AEI’s Audrye Wong joins Jonah Goldberg to discuss Beijing’s international investment, Chinese diaspora, influence operations, Taiwan, bribery, Chinese culture, American investment in Asia, Orbán’s Hungary, Russia-China relations, democracy, Han supremacy, and how Americans should think about countering the threat across the Pacific. Show Notes: The Remnant is a production of⁠ ⁠The Dispatch⁠⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a nonpartisan perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including the Saturday Ruminant,⁠ audio versions⁠ of all our articles and newsletters, and Jonah’s twice-weekly G-File—⁠⁠click here⁠⁠. Instructions on how to set up your members-only feed⁠ can be found here⁠, and if you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member⁠ ⁠by clicking here⁠⁠. Jonah Goldberg is editor-in-chief and co-founder of The Dispatch, based in Washington, D.C. Prior to that, enormous lizards roamed the Earth. More immediately prior to that, Jonah spent two decades at National Review, where he was a senior editor, among other things. He is also a bestselling author, longtime columnist for the Los Angeles Times, commentator for CNN, and a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. When he is not writing the G-File or hosting The Remnant podcast, he finds real joy in family time, attending to his dogs and cat, and blaming Steve Hayes for various things. The podcast transcription below was generated using artificial intelligence and may include occasional errors or misspellings. Music 0:00 [upbeat music] [groans] [upbeat music] Music 0:14 Ladies and gentlemen, uh, Music 0:16 could I please have your attention? Can you dig it? Jonah Goldberg 0:24 [crowd cheering] Greetings, dear listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg, host of The Remnant Podcast, brought to you by The Dispatch and Dispatch Media. We decided that since we're recording this before Fourth of July, so if there's any news that happens that makes this seem, um, out of date, um, Jonah Goldberg 0:43 blame the gods 'cause it's not my fault. And, uh, we have a first-time guest, my colleague at the American Enterprise Institute. She's a senior fellow in the, uh, in the very sort of aloof, we're too cool for school foreign policy shop at AEI, and she has a new book out called Subversion and Seduction: China's Economic Statecraft, and she's a fellow, senior fellow at the, uh, American Enterprise Institute, Audrey Wong, who spells Audrey in a very transgressive, disruptive way, but we're gonna, we're gonna put that aside. Wong is spelled perfectly correctly. Um, Audrey, welcome to The Remnant. Interactive transcripts are available to Premium members. Join to follow along with the audio. Join Now More We Think You’d Like